Sons of Confederate Veterans denied permission to carry flags in parade
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Posted: 6:10 PM Nov 11, 2008
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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WVLT) -- One group showed up at the Knoxville veterans parade route carrying Confederate flags, upset over the fact they were denied permission to march with those flags in the parade.

 
Should the Sons of Confederate Veterans have been allowed to participate in this year's Veterans Day Parade?
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Most people at the parade didn't pay much attention to the small group with Confederate flags. But the decision to keep the Sons of Confederate Veterans and their flags out of the parade highlights a division so deep that even veterans who rode in the same car disagree.

Their flags are red-white-and blue, but these stars and stripes are different. The Sons of the Confederate Veterans group is different enough that they were not allowed to join the parade.

H.K. Edgerton says, "For these folks here in the City of Knoxville to deny the Sons of Confederate Veterans and here in the Southland of America the right to participate in the Veterans' Day Parade is the worst thing I've ever known in my entire life."

Edgerton is dressed the part, with Confederate grey from head to toe. He says the American Legion should have let the group honor veterans and their own history in this parade. A man who prefers to wear Union blue agrees. Paul Eastes, Sons of Union Veterans Group, says "I think that that's wrong that they're not allowed to be as part of this parade. You know I'm a member of the Sons of the Union Veterans and it's a heritage thing. I'm against that sort of suppression."

Others see it differently.

Richard Love, Navy Veteran, says "My concern was you need to go back to the basics of what a veteran is. A veteran is a person that defended the United States of America and served in that defense, all across the word. The Civil War was an internal skirmish, they weren't truly veterans in my personal opinion."

Fred Baker, Love's fellow Navy Veteran, disagrees, "I think they should have been allowed to march, because they were fighting for what their definition of America was. I mean, we were all Americans."

Edgerton says this is about more than a parade, it's about a people and their history which he feels is being neglected.

"It is time for a change, it is time for the southern people to have their honor returned to them that the federal government took."

American Legion event chair, Mary Everett, told us that the only government flags allowed in the parade are those of the United States and the State of Tennessee. He says the Confederate group was told it could march, but would have to do so wihout the flags. He says the group refused to do that.

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Posted by: John Farmer Location: Bristol, Tennesee on Mar 27, 2009 at 05:48 PM
I think its ridiculous not letting those men carry the confederate flag. They should be allowed to honor the Godly men who gave their lives. The confederate flag is not a symbol of racism and anti america. Its about states rights and socialism. Do people think that the men of the confederacy fought and shed their blood sothat a few rich men could keep their slaves? YOUR CRAZY! They fought over states rights and big government. Abraham Lincoln wanted to tax the south. The war was not over slavery. It was over the Socialistic taxing of the South. The same thing we are facing today. If people get offend of this flag we need to tell them to study their history books. Half the people who run their mouths about the confederacy and the confederate flag. Dont even have a clue when the war started. I love America and I Love Dixie! God bless America. I say let Old Dixie wave boys!!!

Posted by: Richard Dailey Location: Princess Anne, MD on Mar 11, 2009 at 04:18 PM
Veterans are Veterans no matter how earily the war's were fought!These people(Anti-Confederate Flag haters) have got to get over this already!Don't they understand its strickly showing our right as an American to show patrinage towards our( southern)Haritage.That being said then lets take away black history month and all the rest. They need to quit their winnin and if you don't like it. Move to California!

Posted by: Peggy Location: Mechanicsville,Va. on Nov 25, 2008 at 06:11 PM
All men who fought in ANY war was to keep their home land safe,including CIVIL WAR,Richard Love,you must have been the cook in the navy.

Posted by: Robert Location: Phoenix, Arizona on Nov 21, 2008 at 04:30 PM
@Bill in Olympia...Your choice of attire would be highly ironic, given that the day we now celebrate as Veterans Day was originally ARMISTICE DAY, the day the Germans surrendered in World War I!

Posted by: Dan Location: Mississippi on Nov 20, 2008 at 06:43 PM
How many of you know that on May 23, 1958 the U. S. Congress enacted Public Law 85-425 granting the Confederate Veteran the same status as the United States veterans? When you discriminate against Confederate Veterans, you are discriminating against U. S. Veterans.

Posted by: Ben Location: Georgia on Nov 20, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I wonder how many of you know we have soldiers in Foreign Lands in war zones that are proud of their Confederate Battle Flag and still Honor their Ancestory and Their History. Should these same soldiers fighting for us Today be any different thant soldiers from the past, Let us show Honor to them all, stand with them, support them with Respect to their Heritage and let them March with Dignity.

Posted by: Joe Location: South on Nov 18, 2008 at 02:54 PM
What a shame on the people of the US as a whole. but in particular the southern folks. some few people tell them they can't fly a confederate flag or walk in a parade with it "because its racist". its no more racist than any other flag flying on OUR soil. how many are at the UN just for starters? the confederate flag is a piece of cloth carried into battle. just like old glory. if some find something in that piece of cloth to become offended at, then tough! if it wasn't the flag it would be something else! the south did not start the civil war! our own government at the time attacked American citizens in the South. and it had nothing to do with slavery. we should all demand every flag except the US flag be banned from our land as well because at present this is still America, isn't it??..at least for right now it is but thats changing fast! the people who refused to let these men walk in the parade with the stars and bars ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: Bill Location: Olympia WA on Nov 17, 2008 at 10:43 PM
It was stated: "A veteran is a person that defended the United States of America and served in that defense". Sorry - a veteran is ANY person who served their country in the military. That means those who served the Kaiser, the Czar, Der Feuhrer, HM the King, the emperor on the Crysthanthem Throne. They are all veterans. And if a group wants to parade the uniforms of "the other side", then God be with them. Our veterans wouldn't be veterans if the other side hadn't been there. I'm more than 30 years in the uniform of the US Navy, but plan on parading in the 2014 Vets Day parade in the uniform of the Imperial German Navy to honor my ancestors who fought on that side in WW-1.

Posted by: Chris Location: Dandridge, TN on Nov 16, 2008 at 03:56 PM
The Korean War, Vietnam War and our involvement in Iraq were not authorized by a declaration of war. Are these people veterans? By your own definition, Mr. Love, you would not be a veteran either.

Posted by: xerxes Location: down under on Nov 16, 2008 at 01:29 AM
Do you think it'll be even worse with the next executive administration?

Posted by: Terry Location: Kentucky on Nov 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I don't blame the Sons Of Confederate Veterans for not marching in the parade when told "do so without the flags" That is their heritage and mine as well. I had ancestral ties to both sides and to see both Union and Confederate alike disgraced in this way is unacceptable. How do closed minded so called Americans expect this country to join together and bind together as one when they insist on keeping our heritage segregated

Posted by: namuni Location: knoxville on Nov 15, 2008 at 09:22 PM
This is for Gary, Clinton, who posted his resonse 11 Nov. You said the Confederates burned Knoxville? Please, learn your history sir. The only people who burned any part of Knoxville were the federals. The Confederates occupied Knoxville until September, 1863. The yankees took over at that point in time. Again, read your history. It might interest you to know the federal forces destroyed the interiors of East Tennessee University as well as the destruction of many private homes. You have much to learn!

Posted by: BeccaE Location: Pigeon Forge on Nov 15, 2008 at 06:15 PM
Symbols, however enigmatic, are very strong things. We, as a people, have always understood the significance of symbols and iconographic markings, throughout time. Ranchers, military, Freemasons, Knights Templar, Medieval lords, and on back to the early Egyptians, knew the power a symbol holds. When we see the Nazi swastika, one thinks of hate, yet that symbol dates back to the Neolithic period and is associated with the Four Sacred Elements of many ancient religions of India. My point? Regardless of what the rebel flag "really" means, regardless of how it is perceived by those "insiders," when the lay person sees that symbol, racial inequality, oppression, and hatred is what is brought to mind. So let these Confederate Sons march yes. They have a place there, but withOUT their symbol of hatred; without the symbol, which in modern times, has become associated with slavery, oppression, and a darker time better left in our past. There is no room for such in today's America.

Posted by: Mike Location: Kingston on Nov 15, 2008 at 05:26 PM
The American Legion is now politically correct? No more donations from me!

Posted by: Mark Location: Tennessee on Nov 14, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Mr. Love, What were you doing in History classes? Confederate States of AMERICA? These men defended America...the America they believed in. Just as you did in the Navy, they believed in a cause. When the war was over they went home to be treated worse than Americans by the same "American" brothers they fought against. How do you explain that? Should decendands of Confederate citizens be considered second rate? You fail to mention what your heritage is. Please respond and let us know if you are proud of your family tree. I sure am proud of mine. Both sides, North and South, were represented from my family. Just remember, Mr. Love, we are having a hard time in America now without bigots like you trying to make it worse. We need people with open minds now. Anyone who has defended one inch of American soil is an AMERICAN veteran. They made it possible for even you to express your opinion. Be thankful.

Posted by: Brian Blevins Location: Indianapolis In. on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:13 PM
My,My,My, How about a boycott of the American Legions in Knoxville. If you think that was a slap in the face, wait for the Sesquicentennial of the War for Southern Independence to start. We, as descendants of Confederate Veterans, will have to work hard to get OUR TRUE HISTORY told. Remember to "Always be Vigilant", "Always be Prepared". We have but one chance. Adjutant A.J. Ringo 1509 New Castle In.

Posted by: Jimmy Shirley Location: Palm Springs,Florida on Nov 14, 2008 at 09:03 AM
The AL ought to be ashamed of themselves. Ignorance has no place in this fine land of ours. Their late one time CIC, Dwight Eisenhower, would be distressed at their attitude, given his glowing assessment of Lee and his understanding of the whole conflict. Furthermore, to be cowards by surrendering to political correctness is no way for men who are suppose to be the embodiment of "God, Duty, Honour" to conduct themselves. What is more important to men nowadays? Honour, or surrender to the prevailing winds? Steadfastness like the mighty oak tree, bending like the willow? By bending, the AL has sacrificed their honour to the prevailing winds of Marxism, the very thing many of them fought against before the fall of the USSR and Communist Europe. By doing this, they agree with them, a backdoor way of saying we were wrong to oppose Communism. I want their conscience's to sear the members of the AL for bending the knee and bowing the head to Karl Marx. Im glad the SCV didnt compromise!

Posted by: Steve Location: Maryville on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Another thing the story didn't point out is that HK Edgerton is a Vietnam Veteran as well.

Posted by: hal Location: california on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:15 AM
get yourselves a couple of ACLU attornies and sue them for your rights.Keep that flag Flying. CO F 56 REG. N.C. TROOPS

Posted by: Charles Location: Louisiana on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Mr. Love, you need to check yourself. Confederate Vets are recognized by this country as American Vets. Even the VA gives them veteran headstones. As a Marine vet, I am disturbed by your position.

Posted by: Jack Location: Columbia, TN on Nov 13, 2008 at 05:01 PM
I'm appalled at the city of Knoxville for not letting the SCV march in the Veterans Day parade. The US Government recognizes Confederate Veterans as Veterans. Since 1958 Confederate Veterans have been legally recognized as US Veterans - see http://www1.va.gov/opa/fact/amwars.asp and U.S. Department of Veterans affairs(VA): History and Organization.

Posted by: Jason Location: Camp. Co on Nov 13, 2008 at 12:48 PM
What an absolute disgrace the American legion is to not allow the Sons of Confederate Veterans to march. They continue to spew out that the Confederate Flag is symbol of racism--the Confederate Flag is exactly that--a FLAG, it is NOT a racist symbol, and those who look at it as a racist symbol are so easily offended that a leaf blowing the wrong way would cause them agony and pain. Get over it already--we are the South, why should we hide our heritage just to make a few people happy? This is an absolute DISGRACE.

Posted by: Owen Crosby Location: Winter Haven, Florida on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:50 AM
Seems like there are some pretty dumb American vets out there..as they certainly haven't kept up with the laws of the land..Eisenhower gave my ancestors the full rights of American veterans. I also, am an Air Force vet..and a Son of the Confederacy. The main problem is that in spite of ALL these years of federal indoctrination, many of us have kept the truth about our history ALIVE !! The federal troops under Lincoln acted in direct contradiction to our Constitution.. just as the American Legion (a group I have previously belonged to) is behaving now.

Posted by: Steve Location: Triangle, Virginia on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:48 AM
With all due respect to Mr Love, his personal opinion is irrelevant. For the past 50 years - since before the last of the veterans passed away - the Confederate Army's soldiers have been recognized by the US Congress as American veterans. The soon-to-be-built National Army Museum's database includes the Confederate Army. This goes way beyond someone's interpretation or misuse of a flag, this was a direct snub at American soldiers. As a 21-year (and still serving) combat veteran, I am appalled by the disregard shown by the city of Knoxville, and saddened that veterans like Mr Love are so ill-informed.

Posted by: Valerie Location: Knoxville on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:34 AM
CONFEDERATE FORCES VETERANS - Public Law 85-425: “Sec. 410. The Administrator shall pay to each person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War a monthly pension in the same amounts and subject to the same conditions as would have been applicable to such person under the laws in effect on December 31, 1957, as if his service in such forces had been service in the military or naval forces of the United States.” Approved May 23, 1958 – SOURCE: US Statutes at Large Volume 72, Part 1, Page 133-134. By Federal act of Congress (May 23, 1958) all Confederate veterans are recognized as United States Military Veterans, and deserve all the rights and honors pertinent to such service. **Confederate veterans are therefore not only recognized as United States citizens, but fully as Federally-recognized members of the United States military (with Veteran’s status).

Posted by: Rodney Location: Combs on Nov 13, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Welcome to the empire - the United Socialist States of Amerika. Gosh, we don't wanna hurt the feelings of people who are ignorant about the Confederacy and the so-called Civil War, now do we? They've been taught myths about that bad ol' Confederacy in their socialist public schools, so, by golly, we gotta ban those bad ol' Confederate flags, ya see. It's okay to display Mexican flags and "gay" flags, but the Confederate flag? Oh, my goodness, no! It's not "progressive," ya see. "Those people" like to say, "You lost. Get over it." I say, "We're flying our Confederate flags. Get over THAT!"

Posted by: Shannon Location: Memphis, TN on Nov 12, 2008 at 10:23 PM
If CSA soldiers aren't veterans then why does the VA allow them military markers. I am the decendant of a soldier that fought in every war this country has ever been in. As the president of a UDC Chapter, let it be known that we always put our VETS first. That is why the UDC and SCV were started. Where do you think Memorial Day got started? If your an American and fought in a war that involved this country then you should be called a Veteran. Our country has just come into a new era, its time to get along with each other.

Posted by: Will Location: Trenton on Nov 12, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I wish they had a picture of H.K. That would have put the whole story and issue in perspective.

Posted by: Bobby Location: Oklahoma on Nov 12, 2008 at 10:01 PM
What is wrong with these people is wrong with the whole U.S.! they make a big deal over the small stuff( like flying a southern flag which was part of our history) and overlooking the big stuff( like our economy falling apart!) Geez! wake up America! p.s. The Southern fighting man was an American War Veteran by the way, truth is those men saw more spilled American blood on the battlefield than any modern vet ever has!

Posted by: Les Location: Kentucky on Nov 12, 2008 at 09:32 PM
HK Edgerton is a black SCV member. Why wasn't this told in this article???

Posted by: Jim Location: Quincy,Fl on Nov 12, 2008 at 09:02 PM
Heres a idea... Next year everyone show up waving a Confederate Battle Flag.

Posted by: Southern Conservative Location: Lenoir City, Tn on Nov 12, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?!?! Since when have veterans only people who fought overseas in wars. By Mr. Love's statement, the founders of our country were not veterans. While the Stars and Bars were not THE official flag of the C.S.A. , it is now recognized as such. What has happened to the first ammendment? HERITAGE, NOT HATE!!!

Posted by: Terry Location: Maryland on Nov 12, 2008 at 05:49 PM
If Confederate soldoiers weren't veterans I don't know what a veteran is. The blatant disrespect is shameful. these men fought because their country (their states) told them to. When they came home they got no accolades or government assistance, while their Northern counterparts were showered with money and praise. This adds more insult to injury.

Posted by: William Location: gatlinburg on Nov 12, 2008 at 04:14 PM
You cant carry a confederate flag in a parade, but you can buy a tenn. lisnce plate with a confederate flag on it.Maybe they should have intered thier cars in the parade.

Posted by: Chris Location: Tallahassee Floirda on Nov 12, 2008 at 03:59 PM
I can not believe this what has our country come to? To deny a right as simple as flying a flag. on the comment that Richard Love, Navy Veteran said, people like him and others need to go back to their basics, the "civil war" our what many like to say War Between the States, was fought around the world not just here in the states. People need to open their eyes and read history!

Posted by: Fred Location: Washington State on Nov 12, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Ulysess S. Grant recognized the Confederates as American soldiers. I guess common sense makes no difference to idiots.

Posted by: shawna Location: atlanta on Nov 12, 2008 at 02:41 PM
As an African-American, I think it was unreasonable to not allow the soldiers to fly the flag. They are 'CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS'. I'm able to distinguish what's racist and what's not and this is clearly denying these soldiers exercise their 1st Amendment rights. I don't agree with everything the confederate flag stands for, but give these soldiers a break, dang!

Posted by: Southern Girl Location: Tennessee on Nov 12, 2008 at 02:01 PM
I think they should be allow to fly the Confederate Flag. If you live in another country and you wanted to fly the American Flag and the say you couldn't you would probably be upset because that your flag and your hertage. Even if not many like the Conferate Flag and many probably think of slavery when they see a Conferate Flag We see hertiage and the history of the South it was a war just like any other war in some parts of the world the American Flags offends for Amercan we see Freedom and to other they see Hate. So to some the American Flag is just as offensive as many are saying the Conferate Flag is But us American still fly the American Flag eveywhere we go even if it offend other by fly it. The Conferate Flag should have the same right. Many dies in the war that might of might not make sense to many of you just like WWI,WWII,VETNAM, the one we are in now it might not make sense but it history and it how just the same.

Posted by: JosephineSouthern Location: Cape Canaveral, Florida on Nov 12, 2008 at 11:51 AM
In the 1900s Congress decreed The Confederate Veteran was an American Veteran with all the benefits and honor accorded any veteran of the USA. In the 1990s, the NAACP started a jihad against all Southern Confederate Battle Flags and monuments which the media took up and there is not a day that goes by that we don't read of some story bashing Confederate Southern Americans. The naacp has no right to interpret our flag! We interpret our Flag and it is HERITAGE NOT HATE!

Posted by: Jeff Location: NC on Nov 12, 2008 at 08:49 AM
The VA recognizes Confederate Soldiers as American Veterans. That is why the give free headstones for their graves. The local American Legion needs to be educated on exactly what a veteran is.

Posted by: Weezie80 on Nov 12, 2008 at 05:33 AM
It doesnt matter if you fly the flag or not. It how you use the flag. I have ancestors that were slaves. And if you will read your history Cherokee Indians and also African-Americans regiments. Flying that flag doesnt mean anything to me but herritage. Now if it is being flown for rasism then no it should not have been allowed to fly. As for the comment about drugs and prostitutes. That is a problem stemming from all races not just one. And what is so sad is racism and so forms of slavery are still going on!

Posted by: Cowtown Rebel Location: Texas on Nov 12, 2008 at 03:15 AM
Congress voted to classify Confederates as United States Veterans in May of 1958. You can order Confederate Cemetery Headstones from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. So, despite Navy Veteran Richard Love's personal definition of a Veteran, the Confederates are OFFICIALLY recognized as Veterans of this Country.

Posted by: Steven Location: SC on Nov 11, 2008 at 11:51 PM
As a great great great great grandson of a Confederate Soldier, I feel that they should have been allowed to march. The flag is the issue. I have no problem with the flag, does it mean I am racist no. It is simply the flag that my ancestors fought under. The same as the American Flag. Does it mean we are racist to all the other countries in the world, no. It simply means the United States of America. I am saddened by slavery and oppresion. However, my ancestors were fighting for what they were taught to believe in.

Posted by: col.csa Location: tn on Nov 11, 2008 at 10:49 PM
yes they should have,and should be allowed to honor those who served in the armed forces of America.

Posted by: C. L. Location: Knoxville on Nov 11, 2008 at 09:16 PM
Three questions. When did the definition of veteran only involve U. S. military? When did the death of over 640,000 men become just a skirmish? And finally exactly when did the Confederate Army burn Knoxville? That is the problem, people want to believe what they have been told, not what they have taken the time to learn on their own. Now for some truth, there was a time when Confederate parades were conducted down Gay St with Confederate flags flying proudly from many windows. How times have changed. Oh, by the way, if you were born in the South and your ancestors were as well, there is an extremely good opportunity you had some family members who fought for the "Stars and Bars". So you see, when you speak of 'their' flags you are speaking of your families flags as well. Respect your heritage, it's the only one you have.

Posted by: Nancy Renfroe Location: New Market on Nov 11, 2008 at 08:18 PM
I sent this story to our Politicsudecide group on Yahoo to see how our members felt about this. They are flooding my email box with "Yes," One member, a Texas Publisher said, " I think they should have been allowed to participate. Although it was not a world war, many, many boys and men lost their lives. " Also a comment on Gary's comment, Knoxville was burned to keep the others from taking it over.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 11, 2008 at 08:12 PM
Every one should be able to particape in this parade. this isnot a sign of racism. It is part of our history.

Posted by: Debra Location: Whitesburg on Nov 11, 2008 at 08:00 PM
The Civil War, the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812. I am a descendant of soldiers from each of these wars, and a daughter of a WWII/Korean veteran. And damn proud of each and every one of them! How dare these people not be allowed to participate in the parade with their battle flags! How sad the South had become biased against its own Southern heritage. Well, there of some of us who have not forgot, will never forget, and if we offend you, just look the other way. And don't give me that crap about the flag offending some: the slaves were brought in on ships up north under the Stars and Stripes, not the Battle Flag of the Confederacy. Check with H.K. Edgerton for the facts. He is a fine man, a smart man. And justifiably proud of his heritage, too. It is beyond me how people can get away with offending and squashing Confederate Veterans, and their proud descendants. Sorry, people, this war really happened, and the South was the Confederacy.

Posted by: JJ Location: Nicolosi on Nov 11, 2008 at 07:14 PM
I do not necessarily align myself with the Confederacy of the South, however, I do believe as the word 'veteran' is defined... they to should have been allowed to march: 1 a: an old soldier of long service b: a former member of the armed forces It is a very gray area with peoples' hermeneutics and interpretations... but best to err on the side of freedom of speech etc.

Posted by: Gary Location: Clinton on Nov 11, 2008 at 06:20 PM
They should've been allowed to march with their flags but they need to remember their history as well. The Confederate army burned Knoxville.

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